MR. MILLER: Good afternoon, everyone. I am very
sorry to be late. But on the plus side, I don’t have -- on the plus side --
QUESTION: On the plus side, you have so much information to impart to us that --
MR. MILLER: On the plus side, I don’t have any opening remarks, so I’ll go right
to your questions, to which --
QUESTION: All right. Well, let’s --
MR. MILLER: -- I will try to provide information.
QUESTION: Let’s start with the main topic of the day. And frankly, I don’t
expect that you’re going to have a lot to say, so -- but anyway.
MR. MILLER: You never know, Matt. You can always try your best.
QUESTION: Well, what’s your understanding of the situation in Ukraine, Russia,
Wagner, Belarus?
MR. MILLER: So, I don’t have any specific assessment to make in terms of the
facts on the ground. Obviously, we all saw what happened over the weekend.
I will say, in our assessment, it remains a dynamic situation. It’s unclear what
the ultimate implications of what happened will be. As it relates to United
States activities and United States interests, I’ll speak to what we did over
the weekend.
Number one, the President focused on convening allies and partners. You saw that
he had a call with members of the Quad, Secretary Blinken had a call with
members of the G7, he had a call with Secretary Kuleba of Ukraine, with -- sorry,
with Foreign Minister Kuleba of Ukraine, with foreign ministers from Türkiye and
Poland. We continue to have discussions with our allies and partners today.
We also made clear to Ukraine, as we made clear in conversations with our allies
and partners, that our steadfast support for Ukraine will remain so, no matter
what happens in Russia.
And I will say, with respect to the activities over the weekend, obviously they
were a significant step. It is a -- certainly, a new thing to see President
Putin’s leadership directly challenged. It is a new thing to see Yevgeniy
Prigozhin directly questioning the rationale for this war, and calling out that
the war has been conducted, essentially, based on a lie, which is something that
we have said previously, but we certainly have not seen coming from Russian
officials previously. Those are all significant steps. And what the implications
of those are, I think, remains to be seen.
QUESTION: Okay, but -- so you think that Prigozhin is a Russian official?
MR. MILLER: He is not a --
QUESTION: I’m not sure --
MR. MILLER: He is certainly a leader of Russian forces that have engaged on the
battlefield, or was.
QUESTION: Or was?
MR. MILLER: Or was. I think it remains to be seen -- we’ve seen the
announcements, but I think it remains to be seen, the final or the -- the current
or final disposition of Wagner and Yevgeniy Prigozhin.
QUESTION: Okay. And do you have any idea where he is right now?
MR. MILLER: I don’t have any assessment about his location.
QUESTION: And then last thing is do you think that this is going to have any
kind of impact on the Russian operations in Ukraine or, also, on Wagner
activities outside of Ukraine, like in Syria and in Africa?
MR. MILLER: I think it’s too soon to tell with respect to both of those
questions. Certainly, the events we saw over the weekend, where you see Wagner
forces to some extent withdrawing from Ukraine, and instead marching on and
eventually occupying a Russian city, are a significant step. What happens to
those Wagner forces in the wake of the announcements on Saturday and the last
couple days? I think we just don’t know the answer to that yet. We don’t know
what will happen to Wagner in Ukraine; we don’t know what will happen to Wagner
in Africa.
I will say that, as we’ve said before, obviously, wherever we’ve seen Wagner
operate in the past we’ve seen death and destruction follow in their wake. And
we have instituted a series of policies to hold them accountable, and to counter
Wagner’s influence. And to the extent Wagner continues to operate in Africa, or
in Ukraine, or anywhere else in the world, or any Wagner successor organizations
pick up the mantle that Wagner has carried, we will continue to take actions to
hold either Wagner or their successor accountable.
QUESTION: Okay, last one. Just -- so Ambassador Tracy went to the foreign
ministry, or called the foreign ministry, and there was a -- there were
communications here in D.C.?
MR. MILLER: There --
QUESTION: And what were -- what were they?
MR. MILLER: We had communications over the weekend on -- actually, I will just
say we had communications on Saturday with the Russian Government, both
Ambassador Tracy and at other levels here in Washington, where we delivered two
messages to them: number one, we expected Russia to withhold its obligations --
to uphold its obligations, I should say, to protect our embassy and to protect
diplomatic personnel who are in Moscow; and two, to reiterate what we said
publicly, that this is an internal Russian affair in which the United States is
not involved and will not be involved.
QUESTION: Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Andrea.
QUESTION: Matt, Senator Warner -- obviously, the chairman of the Intelligence
Committee -- told me on the air that they believe, or he believes from reports
he’s seen, that Prigozhin is in Minsk. Do you have any indication that that’s --
of that as well?
MR. MILLER: I don’t have any assessment on his location, no.
QUESTION: And do you have any indication of what concessions he may have
received regarding Shoigu or anything else, for turning around?
MR. MILLER: I do not, I do not. I would note in respect to that -- and we’ve
gotten a lot of questions with respect to Shoigu or Gerasimov, and I will say --
it relates to the last question I answered from Matt -- that the United States
does not take a position on the leadership of the Russian Federation. We do not
take a position on the leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense. Our
policies have been -- always been with respect to actions that Russia has taken.
We want a Russia that is not invading its neighbors and trying to violate the
territorial integrity and sovereignty of its neighbors. We want a Russia that is
not conducting malign influence operations across the world. That has always
been our policy with Russia, not the disposition of the ministry of defense or
any other offices inside the country.
QUESTION: The one on-the-record statement that came out on Saturday was the
confidence in the command and control of the nuclear forces. And I infer from
that that there is military-to-military communication, as one would expect,
between us and the Russians, in contrast to -- obviously to a different situation
with China or --
MR. MILLER: I won’t speak to any inferences. I will say that I will let the
Pentagon speak to any military-to-military communications, whether it happened
or not. I will say, however, as the Secretary said yesterday, we do not -- did
not see, do not see any change in the disposition of Russian nuclear forces and
have not changed the disposition of ours.
QUESTION: And the Secretary did say in some of his interviews that Putin’s
influence, power, whatever, has clearly been shaken by this, by his speech, by
the whole nexus of what has happened. Can you speak to that?
MR. MILLER: Yeah. I will say, as I said a moment ago, this certainly was a new
moment in -- if you look -- think of the events of the last few years. As the
Secretary said, 16 months ago the Russian Federation and Vladimir Putin
envisioned that Russian forces would be taking Kyiv, and instead over the
weekend we saw Russian forces taking a Russian Ministry of Defense office inside
a Russian city. We saw the entire pretext of this war being questioned openly --
something we have done, something our allies and partners have done, something
that you have not seen inside the borders of Russia. In fact, you can be thrown
in jail for taking that step as an ordinary citizen inside of Russia. We saw Yevgeniy Prigozhin directly questioning not just the ministry of defense
officials, as he’s done for some time, but really directly challenging President
Putin’s leadership.
Those are all significant steps and a significant change from what we’ve seen
certainly in the last 16 months, but over a number of years. Where that -- what
that means going forward, we don’t know.
QUESTION: Has Vladimir Putin, as you know him and as this
Administration knows
him, tolerated this kind of insubordination? Whether in the immediate future or
long term, would he tolerate this kind of challenge to his authority?
MR. MILLER: I would not ever want to speculate on how Vladimir Putin might
respond to any event, certainly not an event inside Russia.
QUESTION: Follow-up on Russia?
QUESTION: I’d like to follow up.
MR. MILLER: Kylie. Kylie.
QUESTION: On the diplomatic efforts that were made over the weekend, did
Russians respond to those messages from U.S. diplomats, Ambassador Tracy, and
the others?
MR. MILLER: I won’t speak to the Russian response; I’ll just speak to the
messages that we delivered to them.
QUESTION: You -- I’m not asking you to characterize them. I’m just asking you to
say yes or no if they responded.
MR. MILLER: Well, it was a conversation. They -- I mean, it wasn’t a one-way --
QUESTION: Okay.
MR. MILLER: These weren’t one-way conversations that we delivered, and the other
side hangs up.
QUESTION: [Off-mic]
MR. MILLER: There -- it was a conversation, yes.
QUESTION: Okay. And then one thing that the Secretary said over the weekend is
that, to the extent that Russia is now distracted by what’s happening internally
in its country, that could create an additional advantage for the Ukrainians.
How exactly is the United States encouraging the Ukrainians to take advantage of
this moment?
MR. MILLER: So, I would say that I would frame it slightly differently. We
continue to supply the Ukrainians with the equipment they need to conduct the
counteroffensive, and to defend themselves long term. We continue to have
intelligence-sharing channels with the Ukrainians. We continue to have
military-to-military channels, we continue to have diplomatic channels that are
open with Ukraine.
What the Secretary was speaking to is the fact that you did see Wagner forces
withdraw from Ukraine and instead move on a Russian city. How that shakes out,
what happens in the coming days with respect to Wagner forces or other Russian
military forces I don’t think we can say. But certainly, we are in close
consultation with Ukraine and the Ukrainian military about the ongoing
counteroffensive.
QUESTION: Follow-up on Russia?
MR. MILLER: Go ahead, yeah.
QUESTION: Thank you. Last time White House and State Department said that
Prigozhin and North Korea had an arms deal. What change do you see in the arms
trade between Prigozhin and North Korea? Is there any change, in your opinion?
MR. MILLER: I think it’s too soon to tell. It’s too early to tell how any of the
existing Wagner operations or Wagner arrangements will change, if at all, moving
forward.
QUESTION: And the Chinese foreign minister and the Russian foreign minister had
a meeting yesterday. Do you know about the contents of their meetings?
MR. MILLER: I do not know the contents of those meetings. I will say -- will
reiterate what Secretary Blinken said when he was in Beijing and in a number of
interviews afterwards, which when we were in Beijing -- this was last -- over a
week ago now, or a week ago Sunday and Monday -- the issue of Ukraine and
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine did come up in our meetings, and Secretary Blinken
was quite clear with the Chinese officials that he met with that if they wanted
to play a constructive role in helping find a just and lasting peace that
recognized Ukrainians’ -- Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty -- territorial
integrity and sovereignty, we would welcome them playing such a role. But I
don’t have any readout of those meetings that took place.
QUESTION: A follow-up?
MR. MILLER: I’ll come to -- and I’ll come to you next.
QUESTION: Yes, just to follow up on that, do you think -- is there anything you
can sort of parse from Chinese statements about the mutiny? And, I guess, do you
think that this -- seeing this instability and the cracks in the Russian regime
might give China sort of pause in their support for the Russians over the war in
Ukraine?
MR. MILLER: I wouldn’t want to speculate on how they might read this situation.
I would say that -- I would just reiterate what Secretary Blinken said directly
in his meetings to them, which is we would urge them to continue to not support
Russia with direct military assistance. We’ve obviously made our concerns about
potential support public in the past. We have not seen them take that step. They
discussed that in their meetings.
And whether it changes how they’ve approached this conflict or not, I don’t
know. But if they did want to play a constructive role that recognized the need
to preserve Ukraine’s territorial integrity and sovereignty, it’s a role that we
would welcome them playing.
QUESTION: Could I ask about the Belarusian -- the element of Belarus in this? Has
there been any direct contact with the United States and Lukashenka or people in
the Lukashenka regime over this?
MR. MILLER: Not that I’m aware of.
QUESTION: Is there any message or is there any impact there would be on
relations? Obviously, they’re already quite bad with Lukashenka, but is this --
how do you see the fact that Prigozhin supposedly is going to Belarus?
MR. MILLER: I think before I comment on that I’d want to wait and see what
actually happens --where Prigozhin actually does end up, before I make any kind
of speculatory comment about what -- a speculative comment about what may occur.
QUESTION: So, you think it’s possible he won’t wind up in Belarus? Is that --
MR. MILLER: We just don’t have any assessment, at this time.
QUESTION: Sure. And can I follow up?
MR. MILLER: Yes.
QUESTION: You mentioned earlier on Africa, the Wagner operations there, that you
don’t -- you can’t say yet what’s going to happen. But is there a message the
United States has to countries -- say Mali, Burkina Faso allegedly, some other
countries that have partnered with Wagner -- about what this unrest shows about
Wagner’s activities and which direction they should go?
MR. MILLER: I will say two things. Number one, to reiterate the message that we
have given to these countries publicly and privately in the past, which is that
any time Wagner enters a country, death and destruction follows. We see Wagner
exploit local populations. We see them extract local wealth. We see them commit
human rights abuses. So, we have always encouraged any country not to engage
with Wagner forces because of the deleterious effects it will have on their
countries and most specifically on their people.
And then second with respect to this, I would say -- just what happened over the
weekend, it would just -- it would reinforce the concerns we’ve stated about the
instability that Wagner brings with it when it enters any country.
QUESTION: Just a couple of questions to follow up on what you just said. To
backtrack a little bit, what is the State Department’s definition on what
happened, nearly happened, or failed to happen over the weekend?
MR. MILLER: What do you mean?
QUESTION: You just -- you just said the events that happened. Do you have any
definition? How do you call it?
MR. MILLER: I think the events that happened were Yevgeniy Prigozhin took a
group of his forces and marched on Rostov and then continued to Moscow and then
stopped.
QUESTION: Was it a coup attempt or is there any other --
MR. MILLER: I will say no one in the United States Government has used that
term. I won’t speak to what his eventual motivations were, what his intentions
were. I’ll say it is only -- it is Vladimir Putin that raised the specter of
1917, not someone from -- not anyone from the United States Government.
QUESTION: And can you tell the timeline -- can we be precise on when did exactly
your ambassador reach out to Russians, and what did she convey? Everything we
have heard from Lavrov today quoting her, was it accurate?
MR. MILLER: I’m not going to speak to Lavrov’s characterization. The
conversations that we had with the Russian Government were on Saturday, and they
were along the lines that I just outlined a minute ago. I’m happy to go through
them again if you want.
QUESTION: And finally, the Secretary said yesterday that we haven’t seen the
last act yet. I’m just curious how much does it reflect sentiment on your end
that this might be just an episode of what can be a long-running internal
fighting in Russia.
MR. MILLER: I think the -- what the Secretary was speaking to was quite obvious,
in that this is a situation that remains dynamic, and we do not yet know how it
will end.
QUESTION: How does the Secretary envision the last act?
MR. MILLER: The Secretary envisions the final act as Russia withdrawing its
forces from Ukraine; and if not, Ukraine being victorious on the battlefield.
Beyond that, I wouldn’t want to speculate.
Go ahead.
QUESTION: Do you have an assessment on the status of the Wagner kind of forces
after the weekend’s events?
MR. MILLER: I do not. I do not.
Go ahead.
QUESTION: So, yeah, just to summarize what happened. Whether you call it a coup
or not, there was almost a coup within the world’s largest nuclear power over
the weekend. And you mentioned him questioning the war as kind of a positive,
but this is also the same guy -- Prigozhin -- who has criticized Putin for not
being aggressive enough in the war of Ukraine -- and has even said things like
Russia should become more like North Korea to have success in this war.
So, he took over Russia’s Southern Military District. That district is 60 miles
away from one of their nuclear airbases. So, in general, this seems like an
incredibly dangerous situation. I see you’re viewing some of the developments in
a positive light, but it -- to me it just seems like this was the most dangerous
situation that has happened since the beginning of the war.
And my question is: given how much funding we’ve provided in this war -- we’ve
provided more than any country in the world, more than the two countries that
are even fighting the war -- we could end this diplomatically to avoid another
situation like this. But you’ve said we’re still steadfastly supporting Ukraine
until the end. Was there no consideration of how differently this coup could
have gone, how out of hand it could have gone? And then does that affect your
consideration into like -- is it worth it? Is it worth this nuclear risk? Is it
worth a mercenary getting access to Russia’s nuclear arsenal? Are the Crimea and
the Donbas -- who rules those regions -- worth it?
MR. MILLER: Wow. Let me -- that was a lot. Wow. I will say a few things. First of
all, I do not agree with your characterization of how we interpreted the events
here. Number two, I will say there are no heroes on either side of this
conflict, between the Russian regime and Yevgeniy Prigozhin. We’ve seen both
Russian military forces and Yevgeniy Prigozhin’s Wagner forces commit brutal
atrocities in Ukraine -- attacking civilians, attacking civilian infrastructure.
Second, that we do not take any position -- as I said a number of times, on what
is an internal Russian matter, which is ultimately a decision for the Russian
people to make.
Third, I will say when you look at the events over the weekend, it only
reinforces the need for us to continue to support Ukraine, which is the country
that was invaded by Russia -- by Russian miliary forces and by Wagner forces. If
anything, our support for Ukraine in the wake of this event is more steadfast
than it’s ever been.
QUESTION: Right. Well, so -- so I wasn’t trying to say that you -- just real
quick, though. I wasn’t trying to say that you were supporting Prigozhin in any
way. I’m just saying this development was extremely dangerous, and I -- do you at
least admit that? This guy was 60 miles from their nuclear airbase.
MR. MILLER: The Secretary said yesterday that instability in a major country is
always a concern. It’s something we monitor closely.
QUESTION: In the world’s largest nuclear country.
MR. MILLER: Yeah, I think I answered the question. Said, go ahead.
QUESTION: I want to change topics.
QUESTION: [Off mic]
MR. MILLER: Before we -- I’ll come --
QUESTION: On Russia.
QUESTION: Also, on Russia.
MR. MILLER: One more. Kylie first, and then go to you, and then we’ll change
topics.
QUESTION: Just one thing that you mentioned is -- sorry, I’m just figuring
exactly what you said. You said --
MR. MILLER: Me, too.
QUESTION: -- the United States will continue to -- sorry. The United States will
continue to impose costs on Wagner or its successor. Is there any indication
right now that Wagner is actually standing up a successor organization?
MR. MILLER: I think I said or its successor, if any.
QUESTION: Okay.
MR. MILLER: We’ve noted the announcements by the ministry of defense that Wagner
forces are supposed to be absorbed into the ministry of defense. We don’t have
any assessment of what will happen to the Wagner Group either in Ukraine or
elsewhere around the world. But whether it’s Wagner or whether it’s a successor
or whether it’s any other organization that conducts the activities that Wagner
has conducted to destabilize countries, we will hold that -- those organizations
accountable.
QUESTION: But no indication that Prigozhin is actively forming a successor
organization at this moment?
MR. MILLER: I just don’t have any assessments at all at this time.
QUESTION: Sure, okay.
MR. MILLER: Yeah, go ahead.
QUESTION: Thank you. There are media reports that the Biden
Administration had
intelligence about the mutiny rebellion, how you call it, since mid-June. Is
that correct? And also, if that’s true, why didn’t the Administration issue any
warnings to its citizens inside Russia since mid-June?
MR. MILLER: So, a few things. Number one, I’m not going to speak to any
intelligence matters, as I never do from this podium. I will say you didn’t
exactly need a classified briefing to know that there were tensions between Yevgeniy Prigozhin and the Russian Ministry of Defense. He’s been quite open
about those, and those tensions have been escalating in plain sight for anyone
for the last several months.
I will say with respect to American citizens in Russia, separate and apart from
this matter we have been quite clear for some time that any American citizens
considering travel to Russia should not do so, and any American citizens who are
in Russia should depart immediately.
All right. Anything else on this topic? Or I’ll go to Said, if not.
QUESTION: One more. One more?
MR. MILLER: Yes, go ahead.
QUESTION: There is another report, media report, that State Department /
Treasury decided to postpone announcing new sanctions against Wagner, following
the mutiny. Can you confirm that?
MR. MILLER: No. We never comment on the timing of sanctions actions. I will say
generally we always time the sanctions actions that we take for maximum impact
and maximum effect, and we will continue, as I said a moment ago, to hold Wagner
or any other organization that conducts the destabilizing activities that Wagner
has done across the world, we will continue to hold any such organization
accountable.
Russia?
QUESTION: Yes.
MR. MILLER: Okay, I promise -- I promised Said he gets the first non-Russia
question, so --
QUESTION: Yeah, I just wanted to follow up. So, the Russians, are they
responding in real time to all the outreach that the President ordered, and are
you confident that they would respond similarly if it escalated to a nuclear
crisis?
MR. MILLER: I certainly wouldn’t want to speculate about the second part of your
question. These were conversations that we had with Russians -- Russian
officials. So, you know the way a conversation works: you say something; they
respond. So yes, we’re responding.1
QUESTION: Can I get one last follow-up on --
MR. MILLER: You had -- you’ve had a few already. Russia?
QUESTION: Thank you. How do you view the possibility -- I know you’ve said you
don’t want to speculate -- but the possibility of Putin adopting more aggressive
tactics in Ukraine as an attempt to consolidate his strength after this event?
MR. MILLER: I wouldn’t want to speculate about that at all. We have seen him
take a number of aggressive actions. Even over the weekend they continue to
launch missile strikes on Ukraine. All I can say are the -- all I can speak to
are the actions that we will take, which is to continue to provide Ukraine what
it needs to defend itself and reclaim its territory.
All right.
QUESTION: Okay, on that --
MR. MILLER: I’m going to go --
QUESTION: I’m sorry. You said it demonstrates --
MR. MILLER: You don’t have to. Said. Said, the --
QUESTION: You said it demonstrates --
MR. MILLER: Said, the floor is yours.
QUESTION: You said it demonstrates the need for us to continually support
Ukraine.
MR. MILLER: I --
QUESTION: But you’re not acknowledging that -- how does this not demonstrate the
need of how dangerous and how quickly this war can get out of hand?
MR. MILLER: War is certainly dangerous, which is why we think Russia should end
this war immediately, as we’ve called --
QUESTION: We think they should, but --
MR. MILLER: -- as we’ve called on them to do for some time. Said, go ahead.
QUESTION: But --
QUESTION: Thank you. Thank you, Matt. I’m going to switch to the Palestinian
issue. I’m tempted to ask about Russia; I have many questions, but let me --
MR. MILLER: You can ask a question about Russia, Said. You’re not -- you’re not
pigeonholed.
QUESTION: Let me stick to the -- to the Palestinian issue. Over the past few
days, there were many attacks by settlers on Palestinian villages and towns. I’m
going to ask you about one of them, Turmus Ayya, really almost -- largely owned
by U.S. citizens and so on, maybe something -- 85 percent of all homes are owned
by U.S. citizens. I want to ask you about two people: Omar Qatin, who was killed
by a policeman; he is a U.S. resident, has a -- he has an alien card in the U.S.
His wife is an American citizen. His children were American citizens. And my
question to you: Have you been in touch with the family?
MR. MILLER: I won’t speak to any private conversations we have. Obviously, we
always loss -- or lament the loss of any civilian life. It’s a matter we take
very seriously, and our condolences certainly go out to his family.
QUESTION: There’s also a U.S. legislator, who’s from the town. He’s there,
Abdelnasser Rashid. He’s an Illinois state representative, and apparently his
home was also attacked, his family was stoned and so on, and escaped being
torched -- just barely. Are you in touch with him?
MR. MILLER: Again, I won’t speak to any private conversations we might be
having.
QUESTION: Do you believe that the Israelis ought to compensate the Palestinians
for their loss of property?
MR. MILLER: With respect to --
QUESTION: With respect to all these homes that were torched, and property
destroyed -- cars destroyed? All this stuff happened, transpired, over the past
few days.
MR. MILLER: I will say that we condemn all acts of extremist violence and
incitement to violence, whether they be either Israel or Palestinian. And we
remain steadfast in our work to promote de-escalation, and beyond this, an
environment in which Israelis and Palestinians alike are afforded equal measures
of security, prosperity, and dignity.
QUESTION: Yes. But do you believe that Palestinians that lost property ought to
be compensated?
MR. MILLER: I’ll take --
QUESTION: By the Israelis?
MR. MILLER: I’ll take that one back, Said.
QUESTION: Okay. All right, a couple more questions. There were announcements
today about maybe an additional 5,000 housing units -- I don’t know how many. I
mean, you issue a lot of statements against settlement. But the Israelis are
just moving right ahead, like a bulldozer. That does not stop them. I mean,
we’ve raised this issue many times in this room by not only me but other
colleagues as well. So, what should the U.S. Government do to drive the point
home that this is really -- it’s reckless. It’s driving the whole region into a
total explosion. I mean, especially when it’s compounded with statements like
Netanyahu’s statement to a panel in the Knesset, saying that we ought to
suppress any notion of a Palestinian state and so on.
MR. MILLER: I will just reiterate our longstanding position which we have said
publicly from this podium. I can assure you that privately we say this directly
to Israeli officials, that we believe that settlements are an impediment to a
negotiated two-state solution along 1967 lines, which ultimately we believe is
the best way to resolve the Israel-Palestinian conflict.
QUESTION: And finally, I want to ask you about the decision to reverse a
decision taken by the Trump Administration on stopping all scientific aid to the
settlements. I mean, I don’t know what kind of scientific research takes place
in the settlement that is aided by the U.S., other maybe than wine, to quote a
friend of mine. So, does that mean a reversal of the decision that was taken
under the previous Administration to allow products made in the settlements to
be called “Made in Israel”?
MR. MILLER: Let me speak to the first announcement, which is, the United States
strongly values scientific and technological cooperation with Israel, and robust
scientific and technological cooperation with lsrael continues. The State
Department recently circulated foreign policy guidance to relevant agencies in
the United States Government, advising that engaging in bilateral scientific and
technological cooperation with lsrael, in geographic areas, which came under the
Administration of Israel after 1967 and which remain subject to final status
negotiations is inconsistent with U.S. foreign policy.
I want to make one thing clear: that the guidance is reflective of the
longstanding U.S. position, going back decades -- reaffirmed by this
Administration, that the ultimate disposition of the geographic areas which came
under the Administration of Israel after 1967 is a final status matter.
Essentially, we are reverting to U.S. policy to longstanding pre-2020 geographic
limitations on U.S. support for activities in those areas, a policy that goes
back decades, as I stated.
QUESTION: So -- well, hold on a second. Because unless you reinstate the findings
of the Hansell memorandum, this is just a minor glitch. How many institutions in
the West Bank, Israeli institutions, are affected by this, and what’s the amount
of money?
MR. MILLER: I believe there are three institutions. I don’t know the amount --
QUESTION: Three?
MR. MILLER: I don’t know the amount of money.
QUESTION: Three?
MR. MILLER: That’s what I believe, yeah.
QUESTION: And one of them is Ariel University, right?
MR. MILLER: I think that’s right.
QUESTION: And what are the other ones?
MR. MILLER: I don’t know.
QUESTION: You must have it there.
MR. MILLER: I don’t know. Happy to get back to you.
QUESTION: It’s a pretty minimal amount, no?
MR. MILLER: Certainly, by the criticism we’re getting from a number of officials
not treating it like a minimal amount --
QUESTION: Well --
MR. MILLER: But --
QUESTION: Well, obviously, yeah. The critics are going to say that it’s -- but
I’m just trying to figure out what the actual impact of this specific decision
is without a reversal of the Trump Administration’s rescinding of the Hansell
memorandum, which you recall was the memorandum that said that Israeli
settlement activity in the West Bank or in the occupied territories, which then
included Gaza, was illegitimate. Is that happening?
MR. MILLER: We have not taken that step.
QUESTION: No, you haven’t. Okay. So, what’s -- why do this and why do it now?
MR. MILLER: We are doing this because we believe it’s important to take this
step consistent with longstanding United States policy going back decades, and
I’m happy to follow up after and get the -- see if I can get the exact dollar
amounts.
QUESTION: All right.
QUESTION: Follow-up on something --
MR. MILLER: Yeah.
QUESTION: Yeah, I just wanted to check back if -- you were responding to what’s Said’s question. But did you have a
-- were you specifically concerned about this
announcement today about -- I think it’s around 5,700 housing units approved by
--
in occupied West Bank by the Israeli Government? And we’ve obviously heard these
expressions of concern a lot, but since this sort of keeps happening against
what you guys have been asking for from the Israelis, is there -- at some point
you’re going to do something different than express concern both publicly and
privately, I guess?
MR. MILLER: I will say that we are deeply troubled by the Israeli Government’s
reported decision to advance planning for over 4,000 settlements in the West
Bank. We are similarly concerned by reports of changes to Israel’s system of
settlement Administration that expedite the planning and approval of
settlements. As has been longstanding policy, the United States opposes such
unilateral actions that make a two-state solution more difficult to achieve, and
are an obstacle to peace, and we call on the Government of Israel to fulfill the
commitments it made in Aqaba and Sharm el-Sheikh and return to dialogue aimed at
de-escalation.
And I will say the -- for the United -- from the United States standpoint, we do
think it’s important that we continue to make these statements clear publicly,
what our position is; that we continue to raise them privately with Israeli
officials. And we will continue to do so. I think we -- our opinions about this
are quite clear and we will continue to make it known.
QUESTION: A separate issue with Israel: There’s some reporting that -- regarding
the -- Israel’s hopes of getting on the visa waiver scheme, that there will be a
pilot project next month that will involve Palestinian Americans being able to
fly into Ben Gurion. Can you tell us whether that’s -- is that something that’s
happening? If -- and I guess if it’s -- by the terms of the Visa Waiver Program,
isn’t it sort of pretty simple what the Israelis need to do in terms of -- they
basically need to allow -- to treat Palestinian Americans in the same way as they
treat other Americans. Why do you need a pilot project to see if they are
capable of doing that?
MR. MILLER: So, I won’t speak specifically with the report -- with respect to the
reports of a pilot program. I will say we do believe that steps in the bilateral
relationship that would be beneficial to U.S. and Israeli citizens are something
we support. That would include working with Israel towards fulfilling -- towards
Israel fulfilling all the requirements of the Visa Waiver Program. We continue
to work with them on this, and to the point of your question: yes, that includes
extending reciprocal privileges to all U.S. citizens and nationals, including
Palestinian Americans, to travel to and through Israel. And that includes
Americans on the Palestinian population registry. So yes, I don’t have anything
to announce with respect to a pilot program, but the requirements of the Visa
Waiver Program are quite clear.
QUESTION: Can I just ask you on the reciprocity issue?
MR. MILLER: Yeah.
QUESTION: Now, reciprocity is indivisible as far as you’re concerned, right? You
cannot treat Palestinian Americans somewhat less than other Americans. You have
to treat them equally. All Americans -- Arab, Muslim, Hindu, whatever -- all of
them must be treated exactly the same, right?
MR. MILLER: Correct.
QUESTION: Thank you.
QUESTION: On the same subject.
MR. MILLER: Yeah.
QUESTION: I was interviewing the ambassador from the kingdom to the U.S., Reema
bint Bandar Al Saud, this weekend in Aspen, and she said that the developments
by the current Administration in Israel regarding the settlement expansion were
unfortunate, and suggested that it would be very difficult under these
circumstances -- she didn’t say impossible, but she was suggesting problems in
normalization of relations if this continues.
MR. MILLER: I would say generally -- obviously, stepping back, normalization of
relations between Israel and its neighbors in the region continues to be a goal
for the United States. That said, we understand the many obstacles, the many
difficulties, certainly with respect to Saudi Arabia. It’s something that we
continue to work on. Secretary Blinken raised it in his conversations when he
was in Saudi Arabia, and as we said, afterwards spoke with the -- with Prime
Minister Netanyahu about that. But we certainly understand the many difficulties
and the challenges to achieving that goal, but it’s something that we think is
important and we’ll continue to work on.
QUESTION: Have you communicated to Israel, to the government there, that given
the historic record of the kingdom and their relationship with the Palestinians
-- especially under the previous reign of King Abdullah, where it was a top
priority -- that it would be very difficult to achieve normalization, if this
were to continue?
MR. MILLER: I will say we have communicated our concerns about settlements and
increased settlement units directly to the Israeli Government, and I suspect
they can figure out the broader implications.
Go ahead.
QUESTION: Thank you, Matt. On -- couple of question on Bangladesh. During a
recent press conference, Bangladesh Prime Minister Hasina alleged that the U.S.
wants to grab the small island of St. Martin. And main opposition BNP wants to
sell it to the U.S. That’s why she will be ousted from the power. Last 15 years
she is in power without reflection of the will of the people of Bangladesh,
though. The AL wants to purchase or grab this small island, or is all this a
disinformation spreading by the top regime people? Why it is so important for no
reason, the St. Martin Island?
MR. MILLER: I will just say that it is not accurate. We respect Bangladesh’s
sovereignty, and we have never engaged in any conversations about taking over
St. Martin’s Island. We value our partnership with Bangladesh. We strive to
bolster our relationship by working together to promote democracy, including by
supporting free and fair elections.
QUESTION: And one more on -- the state junior minister of foreign affairs, on
Sunday, reacted to the letter of six congressmen calling as enemy -- as you know,
the six congressmen wrote a letter to the president and six congress -- and other
six Foreign Relations Committee member sent a letter to the secretary of state.
So, what is your reaction about the foreign minister is saying that is enemy of
those who are urging to take action against the authoritarian regime of
Bangladesh?
MR. MILLER: I haven’t seen that letter. I’d want to review in detail before I
commented on it. Go ahead.
QUESTION: Yes, as of yesterday, as you know, Greece has a stable government. Can
you tell us how you see here at the State Department the new government and, of
course, your relations with Greece?
MR. MILLER: I will say that on behalf of the American people, we warmly
congratulate prime -- the prime minister on his re-election yesterday. The United
States views Greece as an indispensable NATO Ally and partner. Together, we will
continue to advance our shared goals for peace and prosperity in the Eastern
Mediterranean, Western Balkans, Black Sea region, and beyond, united by shared
democratic values.
QUESTION: I have another question. Secretary Blinken met last week with the
foreign minister of Türkiye. As you told us, they discuss the issue of Sweden
joining NATO. I really have a simple question. Is the Secretary more optimistic
after the meeting with Mr. Fidan than before the meeting? I mean, is he more
optimistic that Türkiye is going to give the okay to Sweden to join NATO?
MR. MILLER: I won’t speak to the level of optimism or not by anyone in this
building. I will just state what our policy is, which is we do believe that
Türkiye raised legitimate concerns in the NATO accession process. We believe
that Sweden has answered those concerns. They’ve changed their constitution,
they’ve changed their law, they’ve indicted individuals. And we believe they
have met the concerns that Türkiye raised and it’s time for the accession
process for Sweden to be concluded.
QUESTION: Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Go ahead. Andrea.
QUESTION: A quick question about Ukraine’s accession to NATO, especially given
what President Zelenskyy has said about not seeing a value in going to Vilnius
if he’s not going to see some progress towards that.
MR. MILLER: I will say this is --
QUESTION: What is -- I guess I should ask what the U.S. -- has there been any
evolution of the U.S. position?
MR. MILLER: I will say that we are focused on NATO unity. As you know well, that
NATO -- NATO accession is a -- requires a unanimous vote by all NATO members. So,
we are in conversations with our allies within NATO. Secretary Blinken discussed
this in detail with NATO foreign ministers in Oslo a couple of weeks ago. And we
do expect that there will be a significant package of political and practical
support for NATO coming out of Vilnius, but I wouldn’t want to make any
statements today that would get ahead of what ultimately will be a leader-level
gathering next -- later this month.
QUESTION: Two weeks from --
MR. MILLER: Next month, next month. Trying to figure out what date it was today.
QUESTION: And what about Hungary’s opposition to Sweden?
MR. MILLER: What’s that?
QUESTION: What about Hungary’s opposition to Sweden?
MR. MILLER: The same message applies to Hungary with respect to -- that I said a
minute ago with respect to Türkiye, which is we believe it is time for Sweden’s
accession to be finalized.
Alex, go ahead.
QUESTION: You said that --
MR. MILLER: Just let me -- okay, go ahead. Go ahead, Said, then I’ll come to you,
Alex.
QUESTION: Thank you. You said that wherever they have left a great deal of death
and destruction in their wake. Do you like to see them disbanded, the Wagner
Group -- would you like to see them disbanded?
MR. MILLER: We would love to see Wagner Group continue to not exist.
QUESTION: Okay --
MR. MILLER: I think the implication of your question, though --
QUESTION: I mean, they exist, so
QUESTION: I’m sorry -- yeah, that was -- that was especially poorly said. I’ve
poorly said a number of things. We would like to see Wagner not exist.
QUESTION: You’d like to see them disbanded, right?
MR. MILLER: Yes. However, I think that the further implication of your question
that’s been raised by events over the weekend is a Wagner by a different name is
still Wagner. So yes, we would obviously --
QUESTION: So basically, you --
MR. MILLER: We would obviously like to see Wagner disbanded, and the activities
that Wagner has conducted in Ukraine and around the world cease to exist.
QUESTION: And not morph into something else?
MR. MILLER: Correct. Correct.
QUESTION: Okay. So how do you classify them? Are they like the Foreign Legion --
I mean, for the lack of a better comparison, the French Foreign Legion? What are
they like?
MR. MILLER: They are -- I don’t want to try to put an exact name on it from the
podium other than to say they are an organization, as I said earlier, that has
left death and destruction wherever they have operated.
Alex, go ahead.
QUESTION: Thanks, Matt. I have two questions on South Caucasus. But before that,
what you just said is important on Wagner: that you don’t want to see them
exist. Is there anything you’re going to do between now and the next couple of
weeks to help this happen faster --
MR. MILLER: Well, we can --
QUESTION: -- such as designating them as terrorist group?
MR. MILLER: So, I wouldn’t want to preview any actions that we might take other
than to say we have taken another -- a number of actions to impose accountability
on Wagner in the past, and we won’t hesitate to continue to do so when it’s
appropriate.
QUESTION: Thank you. On South Caucasus.
MR. MILLER: Yes.
QUESTION: Foreign ministers of Azerbaijan and Armenia are headed to Washington
to meet with the Secretary and to discuss what the Secretary described last time
as last mile of the marathon. I was just wondering if you have any clear
instructions or directions on it. I’m not saying plan. Directions --
MR. MILLER: If we have any clear what?
QUESTION: To discuss the last mile of the marathon. Any clear instructions or
any directions for them as they gather this week in Washington?
MR. MILLER: So, we certainly have a number of items we want to discuss. I’m not
going to read those out publicly, obviously. They’re very sensitive diplomatic
discussions that will take place here. We expect the talks will commence
tomorrow, on Tuesday, continue through Thursday of this week. Secretary Blinken
will meet with the foreign ministers from both Azerbaijan and Armenia. We’ll
have more details as the week progresses.
We continue to believe that peace is within reach and direct dialogue is the key
to resolving the remaining issues and reaching a durable and dignified peace.
QUESTION: Excellent. Last question on Georgia. Ambassador O’Brien is headed to
Tbilisi tomorrow, along with his European and British colleagues, to discuss
sanctions. The Administration recently voiced its concern about Georgia helping
Russia, along with other countries -- to skirt sanctions. The question is why
now, and what tools do you have in your toolkit as these negotiations, this
process starting as of tomorrow?
MR. MILLER: I don’t want to speak to those discussions in detail other than to
say that we have concerns with any country that would seek to evade the
sanctions that we have imposed on Russia -- the sanctions and other measures that
we’ve imposed on Russia. And we constantly look at ways that we can either
tighten sanctions or crack down on any individuals or entities that try to avoid
them. But it wouldn’t be appropriate for me to speak to those in detail.
QUESTION: Are you in a position [inaudible] of the dialogue, like ambassador is
going along with his European and British colleagues, why --
MR. MILLER: I’m not, sorry. Go ahead.
QUESTION: Sure, can I ask a couple questions about some American citizens
overseas? First in Pakistan -- I know this was addressed earlier this month, but
the case of Khadija Shah, who is a U.S. citizen, it was raised -- earlier this
month the State Department said it was seeking consular access to her. Do you
know if that’s been granted? Do you know if there’s been any discussion from the
U.S. embassy there or --
MR. MILLER: I don’t. I’ll have to take it back and get you an answer.
QUESTION: Okay. And could I go on to Iran? Is there anything you can say about
the state of the U.S. citizens who are detained there, if there’s any progress
that you can report?
MR. MILLER: No, only -- other than the -- I don’t have any updates other than that
it continues to be a priority for us. It continues to be a matter that a number
of people inside this building and throughout our government work on. But I
don’t have any update on their status.
All right, a couple more.
QUESTION: Thank you so much. Jahanzaib Ali from ARY News TV Pakistan. Pakistani
Government has criticized the United States and India after President Biden and
Prime Minister Modi called on Pakistan to ensure its territory was not used as a
base for militant attacks. Pakistani foreign ministry also said that the
U.S.-India joint statement about Pakistan was baseless and one-sided. Would you
like to respond?
MR. MILLER: Sure. I would say, first of all, that we remain committed to working
with Pakistan to address the shared threat posed by terrorist groups throughout
the region. The Pakistani people have suffered tremendously from terrorist
attacks over the years. We do recognize that Pakistan has taken some important
steps to counter terrorist groups in line with the completion of its Financial
Action Task Force actions plans. This includes the arrest and conviction of Sajid Mir. Moreover, we commend both Pakistan and India for continuing to uphold
the cease fire along the line of control.
At the same time, however, we have also been consistent on the importance of
Pakistan continuing to take steps to permanently disband all terrorist groups,
including Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammed, and their various front
organizations. And we will raise the issue regularly with Pakistani officials,
and will continue to work together to counter mutual terrorist threats, as we
discussed during our March 2023 CT dialogue.
QUESTION: I hope you have seen the president remarks about India that -- that was
going on there with the Muslims and other minorities. And we have noticed that
the joint statement did not address concerns regarding human rights and
religious freedom violations in India. Could you please clarify if there were
any discussions on this particular topic during the meeting?
MR. MILLER: What I will say is that we regularly raise concerns about human
rights in our conversations with Indian officials. And you saw President Biden
speak to this himself in the joint press conference that he held with Prime
Minister Modi.
QUESTION: [Off-mic]
MR. MILLER: Yeah, a couple more.
QUESTION: He mentioned President -- former-President Obama’s remarks. There has
been quite a bit of response in India to that. Notably, there was a social media
post by the chief minister of the state of Assam, who is an ally of Prime
Minister Modi, using quite insulting language about former-President Obama. Is
that something that the United States wants to comment on, the --
MR. MILLER: No, no, I don’t think so.
All right, one more.
QUESTION: [Off mic]
QUESTION: Iraqi --
MR. MILLER: You’ve got one more, and then we’ll come to Matt. You get to start
and finish?
QUESTION: Iraqi electricity ministry, they told the state media that Iraq has
paid off all the debts for gas imports from Iran, which -- about 11 trillion
Iraqi dinar. How do you give Iraq a green light to pay all of this money to
Iran? And were there any negotiation or a mini-deal between the U.S. and Iran to
this matter?
MR. MILLER: I will just say there has been no change in our policy towards Iran
or Iraq. The Biden Administration continues to implement all U.S. sanctions on
Iran. Since 2018 the Department of State has provided a number of waivers --
you’ve heard me speak to these in the past -- in consultation with Congress that
allow Iraq to pay for electricity imports from Iran, by transferring funds into
a restricted account in Iraq. Consistent with U.S. sanctions, these funds can
only be accessed for humanitarian and other non-sanctionable transactions. The
money only goes to approved third parties. They are not transferred to Iran
directly, and we the United States continue to approve transactions for the use
of funds on a case-by-case basis.
QUESTION: And last question. Russia is filling the gap in Türkiye of KRG oil
export stoppage -- source with the access to the port that says that Türkiye has
imported around 1.7 million tons of the Russian products in May. That’s about
400K barrels per day -- and up more than 20 percent from April and doubled from
previous year, May 2022. What is your reaction and comment on this exporting
Russian products to Türkiye? And you have engaged with Türkiye about the KRG oil
stoppage -- what their reason and what’s their justification to not let the
resumption of the KRG oil --
MR. MILLER: I will say that we’re not going to discuss our private diplomatic
discussions with our partners, but we have been clear on our position and our
support for the resumption of oil exports from northern Iraq. We’re glad to see
that officials from Iraq and Türkiye met on June 19th to discuss a resumption of ITP operations, and we’ll continue to urge progress.
Matt. And then I’ll come to you.
QUESTION: Yeah, I want to go -- well, before I get to my question to -- so I
thought it wasn’t required that you had to say “Türkiye.” I thought you could
still say “Turkey.” No?
MR. MILLER: I think I -- I think we allow people to make their own decisions.
QUESTION: Okay. And so, you decided that you’re going to say “Türkiye?” Okay,
that’s fine. Whatever.
I wanted to ask about Serbia and Kosovo. You will have seen that there was a
situation that was resolved with the release of three Kosovar police by the
Serbs. I just want to know if you’re aware of any outside, non-U.S. governmental
involvement in this.
MR. MILLER: What do you -- what do you mean? I’m not -- I’m not --
QUESTION: Mediation.
MR. MILLER: I am not aware.
QUESTION: There is certainly a former U.S. official from the previous
Administration who is saying that he played a role in this. I don’t know whether
it’s true or not, but --
MR. MILLER: I’m not -- I’m not aware of that.
QUESTION: You are --
MR. MILLER: I’m not aware of that.
QUESTION: Well, are you aware of the resolve --
MR. MILLER: You mean the release of the three police officers?
QUESTION: -- of the situation being resolved?
MR. MILLER: You mean the --
QUESTION: Yes.
MR. MILLER: Yes, I am aware of that. I’m not aware of a role.
QUESTION: Okay. And is that a good thing?
MR. MILLER: It is a good thing. I will say that the United States welcomes the
release of three Kosovan police officers. We’re glad they’ll be reunited with
their families. We had called for this release to happen over the past week. The
United States and the EU have been very clear about our expectations from both
parties. We continue to call on Serbia and Kosovo to take steps to de-escalate
tensions, and I will say -- I don’t know if the readouts have gone out yet, but
Secretary Blinken talked today with both Serbian President Vucic and Kosovan
Prime Minister Kurti to urge both parties to follow the three-point plan
outlined by the EU.
QUESTION: Okay. So, you’re suggesting that this was -- that if anything was
arranged with U.S. assistance, it was done by the Administration and not by
anyone -- not by --
MR. MILLER: I’m not suggesting that at all. I’m saying that we urged them to do
it. I’m just now aware of any activities by former officials.
QUESTION: Okay. Thank you.
MR. MILLER: Andrea.
QUESTION: Quick question.
MR. MILLER: Yeah.
QUESTION: Prigozhin is, as you well know, still under indictment by the Mueller
-- the Mueller probe for what happened during 2016, the election. Are there any
efforts to arrest him?
MR. MILLER: Well, we don’t have an extradition treaty with Russia or Belarus.
I’m not going to speak to law enforcement matters. But certainly, I would expect
that were he to appear in a country with which we have an extradition treaty, we
would seek to enforce our indictments.
All right. End it there. Thanks, everyone.
QUESTION: Thank you.
QUESTION: Thank you.
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