Margaret Thatcher

The Lady's Not For Turning

delivered 10 October 1980, Conservative Party Conference, Brighton

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Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen:

Most of my cabinet colleagues have started off their speeches of reply by paying very well deserved tribute to their junior ministers. Now at number ten, I have no junior ministers -- thereís just Denis [Thatcher] and me; but I couldnít do without him. I am, however, very fortunate in having a marvelous deputy whoís wonderful in all places at all times in all things: Willie Whitelaw.

At our Party conference last year I said that the task on which the government was engaged -- to change the national attitude of mind -- was the most challenging to face any British Administration since the war. Now, challenge is exhilarating and this week we Conservatives have been taking stock, discussing the achievements, the setbacks, the work that lies ahead, as we enter our second parliamentary year. As you said, Mr. Chairman, our debates have been stimulating and our criticism's been constructive. This week has demonstrated that we are a Party united in purpose, strategy, and resolve. And we actually like one another.

When Iím asked for a detailed forecast of what will happen in the coming months or years, I remember Sam Goldwynís advice: "Never prophesy, especially about the future." Nevertheless -- Nevertheless --

[Protester interrupts Thatcher from the House floor...."Power to the workers...Tories out...."]

Never mind -- itís wet outside. I expect they wanted to come in. We canít blame them; itís always better where the Tories are. And you -- and perhaps they -- will be looking to me this afternoon for an indication of how the government sees the task before us and why weíre tackling it the way we are.

Before I begin let me get one point out of the way. This week at Brighton weíve heard a good deal about last week at Blackpool. Iíll have a little more to say about that strange assembly later. But for the moment I want to say just this: Because of what happened at that conference there has been behind all our deliberations this week a heightened awareness that now, more than ever, our Conservative government must succeed. We just must -- because thereís even more at stake than some had realized. There are many things to be done to set this nation on the road to recovery, and I donít mean economic recovery alone, but a new independence of spirit and a zest for achievement.

Itís sometimes said that because of our past we, as a people, expect too much and set our sights too high. Mr. Chairman, thatís not the way I see it. Rather it seems to me that throughout my life in politics our ambitions have steadily shrunk; and our response to disappointment hasnít been to lengthen our stride but to shorten the distance to be covered. But with confidence in ourselves and in our future what a nation we could be.

In the first seventeen months this government has laid the foundations for recovery. Weíve undertaken a heavy load of legislation, a load we donít intend to repeat because we donít share the socialist fantasy that achievement is measured by the number of laws you pass. But you know there was a formidable barricade of obstacles which we had to sweep aside; and for a start, in his first budget, Geoffrey Howe began to restore incentives to stimulate the abilities and inventive genius of our people. Prosperity comes not from grand conferences of economists but by countless acts of personal self confidence and self-reliance.

Also, under Geoffreyís leadership Britain has repaid three thousand six hundred million dollars of international debt, debt which had been run up by our predecessors -- and we paid quite a lot of if before it was due. In the last twelve months Geoffrey has abolished exchange controls over which British governments have dithered for decades. Our great enterprises are now free to seek opportunities overseas, and this well help to secure our living standards long after North Sea oil has run out. This government thinks about the future. As you know weíve made the first crucial changes in trade union law to remove the worst abuses of the closed shop, to restrict picketing to the place of work of the parties in dispute, and to encourage secret ballots.

Jim Prior has carried all these measures through with the support of the vast majority of trade union members. Keith Joseph, David Howell, John Nott, and Norman Fowler have begun to break down the monopoly powers of nationalization. Thanks to them, British Aerospace will soon be open to private investment. The monopoly of the Post Office and British Telecommunications is being diminished. The -- The barriers to private generation of electricity for sale have been lifted; for the first time nationalized industries and public utilities can be investigated by the Monopolies Commission -- a long overdue reform.

Free competition and road passenger transport promises travelers a better deal. Michael Heseltine has given to millions -- yes, millions -- of council tenants a right to buy their own homes.

It was Anthony Eden who chose for us the goal of a property owning democracy. But for all the time that Iíve been in public affairs that has been beyond the reach of so many who were denied the right to the most basic ownership of all -- the homes in which they live. They wanted to buy. Many of them could afford to buy. But they happened to live under the jurisdiction of a Socialist council which would not sell and did not believe in the independence that comes with ownership. Now Michael Heseltine has given them a chance to turn a dream into reality; and all this, Mr. Chairman -- and a lot more -- in seventeen months. The Left continues to refer with relish to the death of Capitalism. Well if this is the death of Capitalism I must say itís quite a way to go.

But Mr. Chairman all this will avail as little unless we achieve our prime economic objective: the defeat of inflation. Inflation destroys nations and societies as surely as invading armies do. Itís the parent of unemployment and itís the unseen robber of those whoíve saved. No policy which puts at risk the defeat of inflation, however great its short term attraction, can be right. But Mr. Chairman our policy for the defeat of inflation is in fact traditional. It existed long before Sterling M3 embellished the Bank of England Quarterly Bulletin or monetarism became a convenient term of political invective.

But you know some people talk as if control of the money supply was a revolutionary policy. Yet it was an essential condition for the recovery of much of continental Europe. Those countries knew what was required for economic stability because previously theyíd lived through rampant inflation. They knew it led to suitcase money, the massive unemployment, indeed to the breakdown of society itself. They determined never to go that way again. And today, after many years of monetary self-discipline, they have stable, prosperous economies better able than ours to withstand the buffeting of world recession.

So at international conferences to discuss economic affairs, many of my fellow heads of government find our policies not strange, unusual, or revolutionary; but normal, sound, and honest; and thatís what they are. Their only question to me is this: "Has Britain the courage and resolve to sustain the discipline for long enough to break through to success?"

Yes, Mr. Chairman, we have and we shall. This government is determined to stay with the policy and see it through to its conclusion and that -- and that is what marks this Administration as one of the truly radical ministries of post-war Britain. Inflation is falling and should continue to fall.

Meanwhile, Mr. Chairman, weíre not heedless of the hardships and worries that accompany the conquest of inflation -- and foremost among these is unemployment. Today, our country has more than two million unemployed.

Now you can try to soften that figure a dozen ways. You can point out -- and itís quite legitimate to do so -- that two million today doesnít mean what it meant in the Ď30s; that the percentage of unemployment is much less now that it was then. You can add that today many more married women go out to work. You can stress that because of the high birthrate in the early 1960s there is an unusually large number of school leavers this year looking for work and that the same will be true for the next two years. You can emphasize that about a quarter of a million people find new jobs each month and therefore go off the employment register.

And you can recall that there are now nearly twenty-five million people in jobs compared with only about eighteen million in the 1930s. You can point out that the Labour Party conveniently overlooks the fact that of the two million unemployed for which they blame us nearly a million and a half were bequeathed by their government.

And when all thatís been said the fact remains that the level of unemployment in our country today is a human tragedy. Let me make it clear beyond doubt: Iím profoundly concerned about unemployment. Human dignity and self-respect are undermined when men and women are condemned to idleness. The waste of a countryís most precious asset -- the talent and energy of its people -- makes it the bounden duty of government to seek a real and lasting cure.

  If I could press a button and genuinely solve the unemployment problem do you think that I would not press that button this instant? Does anyone imagine that there is the smallest political gain in letting this level of unemployment continue? Or that there is some obscure economic religion which demands this level of unemployment as part of its grizzly ritual?

Mr. Chairman, this government is pursuing the only policy which gives any hope of bringing our people back to real and lasting employment. Indeed itís no coincidence that those countries of which I spoke earlier, which have had lower rates of inflation, have also had lower levels of unemployment.

Now I know, Mr. Chairman, that thereís another real worry affecting many of our people. Although they accept that our policies are right, they feel deeply that the burden of carrying them out is falling much more heavily on the private than on the public sector. They say that the public sector is enjoying the advantages but the private sectorís taking the knocks; and at the same time maintaining those in the public sector on better pay and pensions than they themselves enjoy.

I must tell you that I share this concern and understand the resentment; and that is why I and my colleagues say that to add to public spending takes away the very money and resources that industry needs to stay in business, let alone to expand; that higher public spending, far from curing unemployment, can be the very vehicle that loses jobs and causes bankruptcies in trade and commerce. Thatís why we warned local authorities that since rates are frequently the biggest tax that industry now pays, increases in them can cripple local businesses. Councilís must therefore learn to cut costs in the same way that companies have to.

And thatís why I stress that if those who work in public authorities take for themselves large pay increases, they leave less to be spent on equipment and new buildings. And that in turn deprives the private sector of the orders it needs, especially some of those industries in the hard pressed regions. So those in the public sector have a duty to those in the private sector not to take out so much in pay that they cause otherís unemployment. And thatís why we point out that every time high-wage settlements in nationalized monopolies lead to higher charges for telephones, electricity, coal, and water. They can drive companies out of business and cost other people their jobs.

If spending money like water was the answer to our countryís problems, we would have no problems now. Because if ever a nation has spent, spent, spent, and spent again -- ours has. And today that dream is over. All that money has got us nowhere, but it still has to come from somewhere. And those who urge us to relax the squeeze, to spend yet more money indiscriminately in the belief that it will help the unemployed and the small business man, theyíre not being kind or compassionate or caring; theyíre not the friends of the unemployed or the small business; they are asking us to do again the very thing that caused the problems in the first place.

Now weíve made these points repeatedly. Indeed, Mr. Chairman, I am accused of lecturing or preaching about them. I suppose itís the criticís way of saying: "Well we know itís true but weíve got to carp at something." I donít care about that, but I do care about the future of free enterprise: the jobs and exports it provides and the independence it brings to our people. Independence? Yes, but let us be clear what we mean by that. Independence doesnít mean contracting out of all relationships with others. A nation can be free but it wonít stay free for long if it has no friends and no alliances. Above all, it wonít stay free if it canít pay its own way in the world. And by the same token an individual needs to be part of a community and to feel that he is part of it. Thereís more to this than the chance to earn a living for himself and his family -- essential though that is.

Of course our vision and our aims go far beyond the complex arguments of economics, but unless we get the economy right we shall deny our people the opportunity to share that vision and to see beyond the narrow horizons of economic necessity. Without a healthy economy we canít have a healthy society and without a healthy society the economy wonít stay healthy for long.

Mr. Chairman, but it isnít the State that creates a healthy society. For when the State grows too powerful, people feel that they count for less and less. The State drains society not only of its wealth but of initiative, of energy, the will to improve and innovate, as well as to preserve what is best. But our aim is to let people feel that they count for more and more. If we canít trust the deepest instincts of our people, we shouldnít be in politics at all.

And Mr. Chairman, some aspects of our present society really do offend those instincts. Decent people do want to do a proper job at work; not to be restrained or intimidated from giving value for money. They believe that honesty should be respected not derided. They see crime and violence as a threat not just to society but to their own orderly way of life. They want to be allowed to bring up their children in these beliefs without the fear that their efforts will be daily frustrated in the name of "progress" or "free expression." Indeed, that's what family life is all about.

There isnít a generation gap in a happy and united family. People yearn to be able to rely on some generally accepted standards. Without them, you havenít got a society at all; you have purposeless anarchy. And a healthy society isnít created by its institutions either. Great schools and universities donít make a great nation any more than great armies do, because only a great nation can create and involve great institutions of learning -- of healing, of scientific advance; and a great nation is the voluntary creation of its people, a people composed of men and women whose pride in themselves is founded on the knowledge of what they can give to a community of which they in turn can be proud. If our people feel that they are part of a great nation and theyíre prepared to will the means to keep it great, then a great nation we shall be and shall remain.

So Mr. Chairman, what could stop us from achieving this? What then stands in our way? The prospect of another winter of discontent? I suppose it might.

But I prefer to believe that certain lessons have been learned from experience, that we are coming slowly, painfully to an autumn of understanding. And I hope it will be followed by a winter of common sense. If it isnít we shall not be diverted from our course.

  To those waiting with baited breath for that favorite media catchphrase the "U-turn," I have only one thing to say: You turn if you want to: The Ladyís not for turning. And I say that not only to you but to our friends overseas as well, and also to those who are not our friends.

In foreign affairs weíve pursued our national interest robustly while remaining alive to the needs and interests of others. We have acted where our predecessors dithered. And here may I pay tribute to Lord Carrington. When I think of our much-traveled foreign secretary I am reminded of the advertisement -- You know the one I mean -- about "the peer that refreshes those foreign parts that other peers canít reach."

It seems I got that right. Long before we came into office, and therefore long before the invasion of Afghanistan, I was pointing to the threat from the East. I was accused of scare-mongering but events have more than enough justified my words.

Soviet Marxism is ideologically, politically, and morally bankrupt. But militarily the Soviet Union is a powerful and growing threat. Yet it was Mr. Kosygin who said "No peace loving country, no person of integrity should remain indifferent when an aggressor holds human life and world opinion in insolent contempt." We agree. The British government is not indifferent to the occupation of Afghanistan. We will not allow it to be forgotten. For unless and until the Soviet troops are withdrawn, other nations are bound to wonder which of them may be next.

Of course there are those who say that by speaking out we are complicating East-West relations, that we are endangering detente. But the real danger would lie in keeping silent. Detente is indivisible and it is a two-way process. The Soviet Union canít conduct wars by proxy in South-East Asia and in Africa, foment trouble in the Middle East and the Caribbean, invade neighboring countries and still expect to conduct business as usual. Unless detente is pursued by both sides, it can be pursued by neither -- and itís a delusion to suppose otherwise.

And thatís the message that we shall be delivering loud and clear at the meetings of the European Security Conference in Madrid in the weeks immediately ahead. But we shall also be reminding the other participants in Madrid that the Helsinki Accord was supposed to promote the freer movement of people and ideas. The Soviet governmentís response so far has been a campaign of repression worse than any since Stalinís day. It had been hoped that Helsinki would open gates across Europe. In fact, the guards today are better armed and the walls are no lower.

But behind those walls the human spirit is unvanquished. And the workers of Poland in their millions have signaled their determination to participate in the shaping of their destiny. We salute them. Marxists claim that the Capitalist system is in crisis. The Polish workers have shown that itís the Communist system that is in crisis. But the Polish people should be left to work out their own future without external interference.

Mr. Chairman, at every Party Conference and every November in Parliament, we used to face difficult decisions over Rhodesia and over sanctions -- but no longer. Since we last met, the success at Lancaster House and thereafter in Salisbury -- a success won in the face of all the odds, a success that has created new respect for Britain -- has given fresh hope to those grappling with the terrible problems of Southern Africa; has given the Commonwealth new strength and unity. And now itís for the new nation, Zimbabwe, to build her own future with the support of all those who believe that democracy has a place in Africa -- and we wish her well.

We showed over Rhodesia that the whole marks of Tory policy are, as they always have been, realism and resolve. Not for us the disastrous fantasies of unilateral disarmament, of withdrawal from NATO, of abandoning Northern Ireland. The irresponsibility of the Left on defense increases as the dangers which we face loom larger. And we, for our part under Francis Pym's brilliant leadership, have chosen a defense policy which potential foes will respect.

We're -- We are requiring, with the cooperation of the United States government, the Trident missile system. This will ensure the credibility of our strategic deterrent until the end of the century and beyond. And it was very important for the reputation of Britain abroad that we should keep our independent nuclear deterrent as well for our citizens here.

Weíve agreed to the stationing of Cruise missiles in this country. The unilateralists object, but the recent willingness of the Soviet government to open a new round of arms control negotiations shows in fact the wisdom of our firmness. We intend to maintain and, where possible, to improve our conventional forces so as to pull our weight in the alliance. Weíve no wish to seek a free ride at the expense of our allies; weíll play our full part. In Europe weíve shown that it is possible to combine a vigorous defense of our own interests with a deep commitment to the idea and to the ideals of the Community.

Mr. Chairman, the last government was well aware that Britainís budget contribution was grossly unfair. They failed to do anything about it. We negotiated a satisfactory arrangement which will give us and our partners time to tackle the underlying issues. Weíve resolved the difficulties of New Zealandís land trade with the Community in a way which protects the interests of the farmers in New Zealand while giving our own farmers and our own housewives an excellent deal -- and Peter Walker deserves to be congratulated on his success. Now heís two-thirds on his way to success in making important progress towards agreement on a common fisheries policy. Thatís very important to our people too. There are many, many a people whose livelihoods depend on it.

Now we face many other problems in the Community, but Iím confident that they too will yield to the firm yet fair approach which has already proved so much more effective than the previous governmentís five years of procrastination.

With each day it becomes clearer that in the wider world we face darkening horizons, and the war between Iran and Iraq is the latest symptom of a deeper malady. Europe and North America are centers of stability in an increasingly anxious world. The Community and the Alliance are the guarantee to other countries that democracy and freedom of choice are still possible. They stand for order and the rule of law in an age when disorder and lawlessness are ever more widespread.

The British government intends to stand by both these great institutions: the Community and NATO. We will not betray them. The restoration of Britainís place in the world and of the West's confidence in its own destiny are two aspects of the same process. No doubt theyíll be unexpected twists in the road, but with wisdom and resolution we can reach our goal. I believe weíll show the wisdom and you may be certain that weíll show the resolution.

Mr. Chairman, in his warm-hearted and generous speech, Peter Thorneycroft said that when people are called upon to lead great nations they must look into the hearts and minds of the people whom they seek to govern. I would add that those who seek to govern must in turn be willing to allow their hearts and minds to lie open to the people.

This afternoon Iíve tried to set before you some of my most deeply held convictions and beliefs. This Party which I am privileged to serve and this government which I am proud to lead are engaged in the massive task of restoring confidence and stability to our people.

Iíve always known that task was vital. Since last week it has become even more vital than ever. We close our Conference in the aftermath of that sinister Utopia unveiled at Blackpool. Let Labour's Orwellian nightmare of the Left be the spur for us to dedicate with a new urgency our every ounce of energy and moral strength to rebuild the fortunes of this free nation.

  If we were to fail, that freedom could be imperiled.

So let us resist the blandishments of the faint hearts.

Let us ignore the howls and threats of the extremists.

Let us stand together and do our duty.

And we shall not fail.


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